I'm a stranger to gallery spaces. I feel the same way you do, about the stuffiness and hostility and headiness. Your medium intimidated me. Putting Go Home Yankee together as a uni project certainly added to that. I'm so proud of the both of you for reaching a point where you can do it your own way, cultivate your own audience, make your own seat at the table. So many people get sucked in by expectation. That leads me to my question. Work about cultural loss is important, and it's something you intend to dip back into. Do you think that type of art can come from a place of love rather than duty? Do you want to return to insularity? Do you dread returning to that subject matter for fear of how it'll make you feel?
Sara: Because of the way you treated me I was able to make art as your lover instead of an artist. I think like cultural identity, the identity of the artist comes with its own set of expectations and burden of individual suffering. You brought me to a place of rest I wouldn’t have given myself; you cooked for me, fed me, excercised with me and made the work with me. In the last show, I was so engulfed by the idea of being the caretaker that I romantacised suffering for community and neglected myself in the process. I thought it was necessary for a common good of cultural survival. The role of the caretaker and the duties associated faded away with you, because very quickly the caretaker gets sick or tired without any help. Seeing you take on the stress of making art on a time crunch alongside all my specific demands and non-compromise made me realise that too. I’m much happier making art with you as your lover. Whether it’s in a gallery or on your front porch or on Minh’s swivel chairs, I love it when it’s with you.
Jermaine and I also felt this when we made Go Home Yankee it was really hard. That sort of work really takes a toll on you emotionally, and we both knew that we couldn’t do a Yankee 2 without it hurting us. At the time, I don’t think we understood how heavy our work was and the consequences it would have on our friendship too. Changing our premise to Love Song was the best choice we ever made.
If I get back to making art about culture, I want it to be playful and rejuvenating. I think it should be celebratory and spontaneous without any axis of authenticity or margins of exclusivity. Most importantly, I am letting go of the burden of culture because it’s not what I want to pass down. I want our kids to have fun learning animals in Arabic, Assyrian, Italian and English instead of objectifying them as archives of knowledge. I’m not scared of tackling culture because I’m with you.
I also now want to ask you a question habibi. I'm always really amazed by your ability to take on so different creative mediums and opportunities, and put your heart into them everytime. I like your multifacetedness. Like, you do incredible music production, singing and rapping as well as 3D modelling, game mod and design and now more recently spoken word poetry and theatre performance. This was your first exhibition too, I'm wondering if there was anything you particularly enjoyed and would want to continue developing? What is the creative future for my lover?
Jackson: I really enjoyed the collaborative side of working on Love Song, and the communal aspect of showing work in a gallery. Working with you was an amazing experience, sharing ideas, butting heads, questioning each other, but always landing back at a point of love and respect. I felt good putting my body and health on the line to be with you throughout the whole process, and the presence of a deadline was something foreign to me. When opening night came around, I felt so achieved. The ability to see all the people who viewed our work, discussing it with them, turning a gallery into a house party, seeing new love spring from the work we did, it was something I've never experienced with art like that, but something I always treasured. I remember searching my previous work up online just to see people mention and discuss it. Having that experience in person is something else. I think I crave collaboration naturally, and I want to continue challenging myself by working on projects with others, setting deadlines, compromising on ideas, iterating with others. Embroidery ain't a bad skill either, and installing the art works was very fun too. Good to drill again. I wanna end it by saying this. I‘m so proud of you.
Sara: Oh my love I want to end it the same way too. I’m so proud of you. And I love you.
Jackson: I love you too.
Sara: I win!!!!!!!!!!!! We win!!!!!!!!!!!